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2019 Happier Camper HC1 HC1 Commercial

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Hello happier campers!

Its been a few years now that my father Mike and I have began working on our first production trailer, lovingly named the "HC1". The unique trailer features some some classic egg design inspirations, but is packed with modem functionality. Through our rental business we spent many years reconditioning the vintage fiberglass trailers and took note of the features we felt made the trailers great. We took the the best parts of these trailers and added a few new ones and came up with the distinct design of the new HC1

Among the inherent quality features of a fiberglass ultralight travel trailer we feel the readers here will love our "Adaptiv" modular interior system, designed to easily allow you to reconfigure the interior of the trailer to 100s of layouts to suit your every need. Our huge rear hatch door, adding extra space out the back and allowing you to use the trailer in many different ways. Our vintage inspired wheel fenders, not only designed for style, but also adds up to a extra foot of bed length, widens the interior floor space and makes for extra stability and aerodynamics on the road.

Below are photos of our first prototype, and were happy to share them with the Fiberglass RV community first. Please understand we are still in the production process and some features will be added or changed in the coming weeks. We look for your comments and suggestions to help make our forthcoming production version a great trailer that families can love for generations.


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  • Year: 2019
  • Make: Happier Camper
  • Model: HC1
  • Trim: HC1
  • Length: 10'

 

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<p><b>Hello happier campers! </b></p><p><span style="color:rgb 0,0,0 ;font size:13.3333px;">Its been a few years now that my father Mike and I have began working on our first production trailer, lovingly named the "</span><b>HC1</b><span style="color:rgb 0,0,0 ;font size:13.3333px;">". The unique trailer features some some classic egg design inspirations, but is packed with modem functionality. Through our rental business we spent many years reconditioning the vintage fiberglass trailers and took note of the features we felt made the trailers great. We took the the best parts of these trailers and added a few new ones and came up with the distinct design of the new HC1</span></p><p><span style="color:rgb 0,0,0 ;font size:13.3333px;">Among the inherent quality features of a fiberglass ultralight travel trailer we feel the readers here will love our "</span><b>Adaptiv</b><span style="color:rgb 0,0,0 ;font size:13.3333px;">" modular interior system, designed to easily allow you to reconfigure the interior of the trailer to 100s of layouts to suit your every need. Our huge rear hatch door, adding extra space out the back and allowing you to use the trailer in many different ways. Our vintage inspired wheel fenders, not only designed for style, but also adds up to a extra foot of bed length, widens the interior floor space and makes for extra stability and aerodynamics on the road.</span></p><p><span style="color:rgb 0,0,0 ;font size:13.3333px;">Below are photos of our first prototype, and were happy to share them with the Fiberglass RV community first. Please understand we are still in the production process and some features will be added or changed in the coming weeks. We look for your comments and suggestions to help make our forthcoming production version a great trailer that families can love for generations. </span></p> <p><b>Hello happier campers! </b></p><p>Its been a few years now that my father Mike and I have began working on our first production trailer, lovingly named the "<b>HC1</b>". The unique trailer features some some classic egg design inspirations, but is packed with modem functionality. Through our rental business we spent many years reconditioning the vintage fiberglass trailers and took note of the features we felt made the trailers great. We took the the best parts of these trailers and added a few new ones and came up with the distinct design of the new HC1</p><p>Among the inherent quality features of a fiberglass ultralight travel trailer we feel the readers here will love our "<b>Adaptiv</b>" modular interior system, designed to easily allow you to reconfigure the interior of the trailer to 100s of layouts to suit your every need. Our huge rear hatch door, adding extra space out the back and allowing you to use the trailer in many different ways. Our vintage inspired wheel fenders, not only designed for style, but also adds up to a extra foot of bed length, widens the interior floor space and makes for extra stability and aerodynamics on the road.</p><p>Below are photos of our first prototype, and were happy to share them with the Fiberglass RV community first. Please understand we are still in the production process and some features will be added or changed in the coming weeks. We look for your comments and suggestions to help make our forthcoming production version a great trailer that families can love for generations. </p>

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Posted by Misterbee (3 months ago)

HC1

Does this mean that the prototype is for sale?

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

No not for sale, prototype is in our amherstburg ont can showroom and will never be sold ,this is an old post and was not reposted by him not sure how it was posted but maybe moderators can explain. Since it is up I will use it to tell the fg comunity that derek will be making an announcement in the coming days on our 2 newest products which we had on display at the Palm Springs vintage trailer show. With all the bad news lately in the fg industry we hope this will be an exciting change.

Posted by Bernese Bunch (3 months ago)

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No not for sale, prototype is in our amherstburg ont can showroom and will never be sold ,this is an old post and was not reposted by him not sure how it was posted but maybe moderators can explain. Since it is up I will use it to tell the fg comunity that derek will be making an announcement in the coming days on our 2 newest products which we had on display at the Palm Springs vintage trailer show. With all the bad news lately in the fg industry we hope this will be an exciting change.


I'm caught up in one of the bad news scenarios. Placed an order on a Lil Snoozy and lost my $10k deposit. I was hoping to buy the HC1 but that came to a screeching halt when I was told you also require a large deposit. Never will I make that mistake again. Is it possible for you to change that demand?

Posted by WDavidG (3 months ago)

According to the HC website prices start at $25k and a 50% deposit is required to order. The potential for loss is even great than the unfortunate Snoozy situation. Perhaps HC will realize that wary consumers won't any longer risk a huge deposit and will re-consider their policy.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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According to the HC website prices start at $25k and a 50% deposit is required to order. The potential for loss is even great than the unfortunate Snoozy situation. Perhaps HC will realize that wary consumers won't any longer risk a huge deposit and will re-consider their policy.


Maybe you should check your facts before making such a blanket unimformative statement statements like yours can be very harmful to a company doing there very best to bring a fresh and innovative product to th fg market.Unlike LS Happier Camper does not take deposits to fund future builds but because the HC1 is highly customizable and personalized including different color choices,expensive sunbrella interiors,different axle heights as well as many other options.It is needed to prevent walk aways.Happier Camper is a well funded company that does not depend on deposits for future builds.please check out our plant in LA and our build process or talk with one of our happier campers if you would like more information

Posted by Glenn Baglo (3 months ago)

Mikmay. Suggest you rewrite your defence. Include some facts. And, spell Axel properly. It's Axle.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Mikmay. Suggest you rewrite your defence. Include some facts. And, spell Axel properly. It's Axle.


Exactly why I was editing the post while you were typing yours

Posted by Justus C (3 months ago)

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Mikmay. Suggest you rewrite your defence. Include some facts. And, spell Axel properly. It's Axle.


You could always contact the finance department and request last year's financial statements if you don't believe him. Blow this whole scheme open!

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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I'm caught up in one of the bad news scenarios. Placed an order on a Lil Snoozy and lost my $10k deposit. I was hoping to buy the HC1 but that came to a screeching halt when I was told you also require a large deposit. Never will I make that mistake again. Is it possible for you to change that demand?


Hello Diane very sorry about yours and others situation with LS This has put a stain on fg manafactuers and other trailer manufacturers as well and especially new companyís like Happier Camper trying to bring a fresh and innovative product to market.
I have personally been in a LS and thought it was a great trailer with great functionality.
Because the HC1 is not a typical cookie cutter trailer and it is usually heavy personalized it does require a significant deposit and no the deposit does not support the trailer before it
If you had visited our plant in LA or talked with some of our very Happier campers I think you may have seen that.what really sets us apart from some of the other manuafactuers is our commitment to improve our quality ,our commitment to innovate, our commitment to improve productivity and especially our commitment to improve communication with our customers.
While yes I would like to say to you that because of your circumstances with LS we could wave your deposit it would not be fair to the customer before you or after you.
I know that what you have experienced has been truly crushing and nothing I say may help but if you get a chance to visit our plant in LA or one of our showrooms maybe some way we can help.

Posted by floyd (3 months ago)

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You could always contact the finance department and request last year's financial statements if you don't believe him. Blow this whole scheme open!
If you can still order a new $60,000 truck with only $500 down, you should be able to order a small utility trailer with no more than that. You can still order a new deluxe 5er from Scamp with $500 down and they will usually refund your deposit if you cancel. BTW; you would have to buy a Scamp19D to spend as much as a Happier Utility trailer. NO way I would put $10,000 down to order any RV, not even a large motorhome. A non-refundable 10% should be plenty, even if a company expects walkaways, That way they could offer a discount to a subsequent buyer to accept an unpopular color scheme. They are cute enough and tasteful enough to sell even if finished. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8EFVDq0crs[/URL]

Posted by Glenn Baglo (3 months ago)

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Because the HC1 is not a typical cookie cutter trailer and it is usually heavy personalized it does require a significant deposit
Other than the gelcoat colour choice, what sets it apart from any of the other manufacturers? Escape allows the buyer to choose their own personalized fabric, Formica and flooring. There are a multitude of options available. Escape requires a $2,000 deposit on a trailer. And you don't have to assemble it when you stop to camp. :D

Posted by thrifty bill (3 months ago)

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Maybe you should check your facts before making such a blanket unimformative statement statements like yours can be very harmful to a company doing there very best to bring a fresh and innovative product to th fg market.Unlike LS Happier Camper does not take deposits to fund future builds but because the HC1 is highly customizable and personalized including different color choices,expensive sunbrella interiors,different axle heights as well as many other options.It is needed to prevent walk aways.
If you don't have it yet, I would create some legal escrow account situation, where buyer and seller are protected. Since you don't need the cash to operate, such an escrow gives you a strong commitment without the possibility of funds disappearing. The hefty deposit model has been basically blown up by Lil Snoozy. Words really aren't enough, at least for me. LS has provided a vivid example of what can happen to a large deposit if it is not legally protected. Its an expensive lesson to many buyers.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

It seems the same group of naysayers of Senior Members have nothing better to do but try to denigrate a trailer they have not seen or simply not understand ,of course escape makes a great trailer and would be perfect for many here ,scamp also has a historic past and is a great choice for many These might be the only trailers some have owned lm not going to try to sell anyone here on the HC1 as there is really no need as we can sell all we can make .this post was not even started by me or Hc . Happier camper has sold over 300 campers in its first 2 years of production with over 225 on the road right now and with soon to be 4 fold in production in the next few months we are poised to be one of the biggest little fg trailer manufacturers around not bad for as some call a utility trailer but you wonít hear it called that by the happier campers who own one. There names are a lot more personal like Chico,or bean , or wanderlust or what ever they decide to call them. I have owned most of the popular fg trailers here as well as some stick built and the HC1 is really a melding of what we think are the best parts of those and you can see a little part of them in every trailer ,that is what makes it unique ,different and the same.

Posted by Glenn Baglo (3 months ago)

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According to the HC website prices start at $25k and a 50% deposit is required to order. The potential for loss is even great than the unfortunate Snoozy situation. Perhaps HC will realize that wary consumers won't any longer risk a huge deposit and will re-consider their policy.
You are missing the point Mikmay. With the fall of Lil Snoozy and loss of thousands of dollars by people to put their faith in the company, asking a 50% deposit on a $25,000 trailer is too risky for most. Nobody was discussing the HC camper itself, but that was your defence. You need to speak to the huge deposit required.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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You are missing the point Mikmay. With the fall of Lil Snoozy and loss of thousands of dollars by people to put their faith in the company, asking a 50% deposit on a $25,000 trailer is too risky for most.
Nobody was discussing the HC camper itself, but that was your defence. You need to speak to the huge deposit required.


No I donít ! That is a business dissision we have made and if somebody wants an HC1 then whatever deposit required is what is required. We do not force someone to buy a HC1 they are free to buy any trailer they wish. HC1 customers are not dumb and have the means and the information to purchase any trailer they wish and most after seeing a HC1 want nothing else.
A couple weeks ago while I was in the LA office a lady came in the office and wanted a HC1 as fast as she could ,she brought in a briefcase with $40.000 cash hopping she could Ahead of the queue to which we replied no she would have to wait the same as everyone else.
If escape or scamp or any other trailer manufacturers offered their customers a choice of color,axle height ,wheels and tires,choice of windows and exterior bar,choice of expensive sunbrella interior just some of the options not available on other brands Iím sure they would require a substantial deposit.
Happier Camper is here for the long haul as we along with our customers have to much invested in anything but being successful

Posted by thrifty bill (3 months ago)

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You are missing the point Mikmay. With the fall of Lil Snoozy and loss of thousands of dollars by people to put their faith in the company, asking a 50% deposit on a $25,000 trailer is too risky for most.
Nobody was discussing the HC camper itself, but that was your defence. You need to speak to the huge deposit required.


Amen. I made no comment about the design, quality, or value of the HC camper. But if any trailer manufacturer wants 50% up front, then I recommend they establish a legal escrow system to protect the funds.

You (Mikman), stated that the only purpose of the large deposit was to ensure the buyer completed the transaction, because of the highly customized nature of your trailer, and not for operating funds, what's the problem with that?

Posted by WDavidG (3 months ago)

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Maybe you should check your facts before making such a blanket unimformative statement statements like yours can be very harmful to a company doing there very best to bring a fresh and innovative product to th fg market.
Mikmay: I don't find anything not factual in my post which simply quotes the HC website as to their required deposit, compares it to the reported $10k deposit that LS was requiring and reflects on buyers' natural wariness about the risk of a large deposit. I have no interest in harming any company trying to launch a new FGRV product - quite the contrary. As a potential consumer of a new FGRV, my pointing out the potential risk and concern of a very large deposit seems to me to be helpful marketing data for a manufacturer, not information to be rejected as ďharmfulĒ. The reasons for a large deposit may make legitimate sense for the business. Customers however know nothing about the manufacturerís cash flow and capitalization so the risk for significant loss is real and will be a consideration in the purchase decision. HC and others are of course free to require whatever they choose but in the end, the market will judge their strategies. I do hope that there is a niche for a quality and customizable FG and that HC finds the right strategy to succeed.

Posted by Bernese Bunch (3 months ago)

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No I donít ! That is a business dissision we have made and if somebody wants an HC1 then whatever deposit required is what is required. We do not force someone to buy a HC1 they are free to buy any trailer they wish. HC1 customers are not dumb and have the means and the information to purchase any trailer they wish and most after seeing a HC1 want nothing else.
A couple weeks ago while I was in the LA office a lady came in the office and wanted a HC1 as fast as she could ,she brought in a briefcase with $40.000 cash hopping she could Ahead of the queue to which we replied no she would have to wait the same as everyone else.
If escape or scamp or any other trailer manufacturers offered their customers a choice of color,axle height ,wheels and tires,choice of windows and exterior bar,choice of expensive sunbrella interior just some of the options not available on other brands Iím sure they would require a substantial deposit.
Happier Camper is here for the long haul as we along with our customers have to much invested in anything but being successful


I did not post to disparage the merits of this little trailer. I love it and love the concept. It was a strong contender for my purchase. After my initial shock over the bankruptcy, I immediately thought about the HC1. My $30k budget has now been reduced by $10k and the naked HC1 was my choice. I'm glad you've explained how your deposit is used. After speaking with your sales person, I wasn't able to get a good explanation. I'm still uncomfortable placing a large deposit down but, perhaps, I'll get over it...maybe not! I'll look forward to seeing your new introductions. I've been waiting forever for the new HCT and hope this is one of your future trailers.

Posted by Jon in AZ (3 months ago)

Iím honestly not seeing many similarities between the LS and HC1, other than the large deposit. Seems an unusual pair to cross-shop.

Posted by Steve Carlson (3 months ago)

Both sides are correct here. Some people are going to be leery of putting down a large deposit, but unless/until the manufacturer's backlog dwindles, he doesn't have to worry about it much.

Posted by cpaharley2008 (3 months ago)

"ESCROW", there is a legal way for sales transactions involving sums of money being transferred, similar to real estate, the deposit/down payment is held by a third party and not released until title is transferred nor refunded unless contingencies have been fulfilled.

Posted by Steve Carlson (3 months ago)

An escrow system would be nice, but again, when the manufacturer has a healthy backlog under his present pricing and deposit scheme, he doesn't have much incentive to deal with the administration and expense of an escrow system.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Mikmay:
I don't find anything not factual in my post which simply quotes the HC website as to their required deposit, compares it to the reported $10k deposit that LS was requiring and reflects on buyers' natural wariness about the risk of a large deposit.

I have no interest in harming any company trying to launch a new FGRV product - quite the contrary. As a potential consumer of a new FGRV, my pointing out the potential risk and concern of a very large deposit seems to me to be helpful marketing data for a manufacturer, not information to be rejected as ďharmfulĒ. The reasons for a large deposit may make legitimate sense for the business. Customers however know nothing about the manufacturerís cash flow and capitalization so the risk for significant loss is real and will be a consideration in the purchase decision. HC and others are of course free to require whatever they choose but in the end, the market will judge their strategies. I do hope that there is a niche for a quality and customizable FG and that HC finds the right strategy to succeed.

David reading back on your original post now I do not see it as being hurtful or with any malice and apologize for my reaction.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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I did not post to disparage the merits of this little trailer. I love it and love the concept. It was a strong contender for my purchase. After my initial shock over the bankruptcy, I immediately thought about the HC1. My $30k budget has now been reduced by $10k and the naked HC1 was my choice. I'm glad you've explained how your deposit is used. After speaking with your sales person, I wasn't able to get a good explanation. I'm still uncomfortable placing a large deposit down but, perhaps, I'll get over it...maybe not! I'll look forward to seeing your new introductions. I've been waiting forever for the new HCT and hope this is one of your future trailers.


Diane I in know way felt you had made any disparaging comments but after what you are going through you are more than entitled to it. Hope this all works out for you and others effected by the LS closure.

Posted by DavidGlen (3 months ago)

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Diane I in know way felt you had made any disparaging comments but after what you are going through you are more than entitled to it. Hope this all works out for you and others effected by the LS closure.
Thanks, Mikmay for calming down and apologizing. Your earlier rants caused me to question if I could ever do business with you due to your volatility.

Posted by Raspy (3 months ago)

Mikmay, You seem to be undermining your argument a bit. First by being defensive. And second, if you can sell all that you can make, and you do not need the deposit as operating capitol, and you realize that people are very leery of putting 50% down in the current climate, why won't you revisit your decision about the deposit? As suggested, a logical solution might be escrow accounts. This is your chance to work with people that are looking at the HC as an alternative to their recent mistake. A chance for you to confirm that your company is different. An opportunity. But I hear no reassurances that the same problem won't happen with HC, other than you just saying it won't. Snoozy's are a very practical design and were well made. They were able to sell all that they could make too, as well as having a long list of people waiting. Aside from the long wait and the very high deposit, they seemed just fine, and the owner never let on they weren't. Looking at it as an uninformed outsider, there are similarities. You may be turning business away by requiring huge deposits you don't need. You're certainly not reassuring possible new customers as you try to build a stronger following and a stronger market share.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Mikmay,

You seem to be undermining your argument a bit. First by being defensive. And second, if you can sell all that you can make, and you do not need the deposit as operating capitol, and you realize that people are very leery of putting 50% down in the current climate, why won't you revisit your decision about the deposit? As suggested, a logical solution might be escrow accounts.

This is your chance to work with people that are looking at the HC as an alternative to their recent mistake. A chance for you to confirm that your company is different. An opportunity. But I hear no reassurances that the same problem won't happen with HC, other than you just saying it won't.

Snoozy's are a very practical design and were well made. They were able to sell all that they could make too, as well as having a long list of people waiting. Aside from the long wait and the very high deposit, they seemed just fine, and the owner never let on they weren't.

Looking at it as an uninformed outsider, there are similarities. You may be turning business away by requiring huge deposits you don't need. You're certainly not reassuring possible new customers as you try to build a stronger following and a stronger market share.


As I have stated before the HC1 is a highly personalized built trailer more so than any other in this market, also around 25% of our sales are to commercial customers which are even more personalized. The analogy of using an escrow account would work well if all our trailers were cookie cutter just like some say when you buy a finished home, but I doubt you will find many builders who would build you a custom built home or an addition with out a substantial deposit.
Happier Camper is a young company in production for only 2 years and was built on not only our vision of building a great little trailer but also on others including our customers and our investors who have witnessed incredible growth from a single trailer garage with basic hand tools to a huge complex with room to house up to a100 trailers ,all the latest technology including Cnc ,vacuum formers,and more ,we have 4 showrooms in the Us 1 in Canada and one in Japan.even cafes and retail stores in some of them. I can assure you this was not done on deposits .
I donít know what the circumstances were at LS but I doubt they were on the same trajectory as us and to try to compare us with them is just not fair.
As we grow we have new products that will be introduced ,some very soon and some of those will also be priced competitively with the availability to have a lower deposit but wonít be as customizable
Can we gaurentee we wonít have difficult times ahead ? No just like you or anyone else but trust me after our first couple years I believe we have already had them .

Posted by Raspy (3 months ago)

Mikmay, I'm glad your company is so strong and I wish you great success. But you still don't seem to address the concerns people have of putting a big deposit down. Simply your word that all is well and that the big deposit is needed because the trailers are custom, does nothing to reduce this concern. It's still a "trust us" argument. And one made in a way that doesn't seem friendly. Remember, the name of your product is "Happier". Your custom home analogy does not really fly. Normally, banks are involved with custom homes. Progress payments are required that force the builder to keep up or be severely penalized. Building officials issue permits that address many of the surrounding issues and that expect a certain time frame for completion. Utilities will not be turned on until completion. None of those issues apply to trailers. So again, I'm not saying you have a financial problem, but simply telling your customers "trust us", while expecting them to cough up a huge deposit before you will trust them, is one sided. And the idea that you can sell all you can make, but nobody would ever accept one that was already built, seems like a poor argument to support your case. All this with the backdrop of real concern about large deposits and the fact that Scamp doesn't do it, seems like you are missing an opportunity while simply digging in your heels with no real argument except "trust us". That is what Snoozy was saying too. People have already said they went to Scamp and bought trailers after being burned by Snoozy. Shouldn't some of them have gone to you instead? I'm sure you have a lot of credibility, but there is more to reassuring buyers than simply telling them "trust us" and "give us lots of money up front". While at the same time telling them you don't need the money and that you can sell all you can make. All while buyers are able to buy a Scamp without any of that concern. The logic just doesn't add up and it's a arrogant approach to selling. Maybe a progress payment schedule would alleviate some fears where a token amount got someone on the production list. More was received when the trailer was started, etc. Or maybe you just have so much business that you don't want any more, but I doubt the investors hold that position. Maybe the future looks so bright you have to wear shades and you're happy to spill off the excess to Scamp or turn away buyers. Effective sales techniques charge people up to where they can't wait to spend their money. All psychological issues are addressed. Emotions rule. You may be standing in the way of your own success. BTW, my friend has one of your trailers and loves it. There were a couple of issues that needed refinement, but she was confident you guys were fine tuning the design.

Posted by Glenn Baglo (3 months ago)

May I also suggest that you (Mikmay) use spell check and a dictionary app. Read what you've written before posting. Potential customers might wonder about HC's attention to detail when communications contain errors.

Posted by Mike Magee (3 months ago)

As long as the orders with deposits continue to roll in, this company has no reason to revisit their policy. If the above situation changes, I am sure they will consider modifications. Until then, the policy is the policy. If someone doesn't like it, there are other companies making other trailers. I don't see the point of badgering Mikmay (even though I personally think the escrow approach is the way I would go if it were my company... but I'm just an armchair quarterback, as are most of you folks).

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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May I also suggest that you (Mikmay) use spell check and a dictionary app. Read what you've written before posting. Potential customers might wonder about HC's attention to detail when communications contain errors.

Es Glen Ive herd it Frome ue befour tipeing on a smal fone kee pad withe larg fingers and knot haveing my pooper reeding glassses can sometims bee a problam.comunakative riteing has never bean my strong suit.
Not to worry though other than here I have nothing to do with communication with customers or any one else.

Posted by floyd (3 months ago)

[QUOTE=Mikmay;736669]Es Glen Ive herd it Frome ue befour tipeing on a smal fone kee pad withe larg fingers and knot haveing my pooper reeding glassses can sometims bee a problam.comunakative riteing has never bean my strong suit. Not to worry though other than here I have nothing to do with communication with customers or any one else.[/QUOTE] Great post!:loltu;)

Posted by Glenn Baglo (3 months ago)

[QUOTE=Mikmay;736669] Not to worry though other than here I have nothing to do with communication with customers or any one else.[/QUOTE] But, you are representing HC here.

Posted by cpaharley2008 (3 months ago)

Escape Trailers build custom trailers for only $2500 cn deposit and have been doing so for years. If your product is good enough, being able to sell one quickly if the deposit is forfeited is not an issue. Most are sold within 48 hours. The name for it is called "GOODWILL" and eventually your escrow process can be eliminated, once you have established goodwill via producing a good product for a good price.

Posted by Civilguy (3 months ago)

While I might question why a product that is so stated to be so popular requires such a high deposit as "insurance" against walkaways, ultimately a manufacturer is free to require whatever deposit they can secure from a prospective buyer.

It would seem that under this sort of demand, the only substantial risks would be with those units which are so uniquely customized, perhaps for a commercial client, that they might need to be sold at a substantially reduced price.

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All in all, making such a significant deposit is not something I would be likely to do. But, there's plenty of individuals and companies that seem to do very well without my patronage. So, the last laugh is on me I guess. ;)

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Posted by MyronL (3 months ago)

It seems to me all the Happier Camper's designated spokesman's answers to reasonable financial concerns are at best evasive, or at least, sure don't hold water. There is such a thing us seniors have developed, because we are senior: it's called the smell test.

Posted by cpaharley2008 (3 months ago)

Yeppers, that is the only thing that gets better with age, intuition.

Posted by Steve Carlson (3 months ago)

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It seems to me all the Happier Camper's designated spokesman's answers to reasonable financial concerns are at best evasive, or at least, sure don't hold water. There is such a thing us seniors have developed, because we are senior: it's called the smell test.


I don't think he has been evasive, it is more that you and others don't like the answer, which is essentially "because I can".

And no, I wouldn't put that big a deposit down either, but as has been stated repeatedly, he is within his rights to ask for it, and apparently plenty of people are willing to do it. Only time will tell if they made the right choice.

Posted by goalie39 (3 months ago)

Gee, no wonder fiberglass manufacturers don't contribute on this board. Everyone seems to know better how they should run their business. It would be nice to make them feel [B]welcome[/B], instead of holding their feet to the coals demanding answers. I'd love to hear their valuable input on various trailer topics, not attack them for spelling errors. Welcome Mike!

Posted by Scampdoodle (3 months ago)

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Thanks, Mikmay for calming down and apologizing. Your earlier rants caused me to question if I could ever do business with you due to your volatility.
I absolutely agree. Customer service is super important to me and how mikmay presents himself on this forum is not flattering nor does it build consumer confidence. I have friends seriously considering HC. I will let them know how extremely unprofessional this company represents itself. Argumentative and combative usually have something to hide...

Posted by floyd (3 months ago)

While I don't see the value in the Happier Camper and certainly would not place a $10000 deposit to have any trailer built... I do see the value in folks like Mikmay who is guilty of nothing but loyalty to a fine product which he believes in. I beseech him to stay and continue to extoll the virtues of his trailer which, while no bargain, is versatile and appealing to a large audience. If I were running Happier Camper I would GTHO of California and move production to a state which values business instead of exploiting it. Then the price could be reduced, profits improved, and Campers could be even Happier! Of course I wouldn't run a hotdog stand in California or even darken its border with my presence until a modicum of sanity returns to that beautiful place. Mikmay; Please hang around and chat with us... even if I am sometimes the principle burr under your saddle!;)

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)
Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Thanks, Mikmay for calming down and apologizing. Your earlier rants caused me to question if I could ever do business with you due to your volatility.


I would also like to retract my apology as your response has only continued to inflame others and may have been your intent anyways .

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Mike love your slogan can I borrow it or buy it from you ,it may help me with the grammar police

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

H[QUOTE=floyd;736838]While I don't see the value in the Happier Camper and certainly would not place a $10000 deposit to have any trailer built... I do see the value in folks like Mikmay who is guilty of nothing but loyalty to a fine product which he believes in. I beseech him to stay and continue to extoll the virtues of his trailer which, while no bargain, is versatile and appealing to a large audience. If I were running Happier Camper I would GTHO of California and move production to a state which values business instead of exploiting it. Then the price could be reduced, profits improved, and Campers could be even Happier! Of course I wouldn't run a hotdog stand in California or even darken its border with my presence until a modicum of sanity returns to that beautiful place. Mikmay; Please hang around and chat with us... even if I am sometimes the principle burr under your saddle!;)[/QUOTE] Yes Floyd The HC1 is expensive but not just because it’s built in California .Ca offers us a lot of advantages also not available anywhere else. As I have stated before on this original thread three years ago the HC1 is built with two full shells that is double the amount you have on your scamp and adds significantly to the cost It also has a full 1 inch fg floor engineered to fit the cubes ,not a simple sheet of fg covered Osb. It also has a rear opening hatch which requires special stabilizers,seals,handles and other items which add significantly to the cost One thing we have in common with the scamp and which most other manufactures don’t use is the aircraft style entrance door but the similarities end with the look, ours have been engineered to hold there shape ,to have storage and to have the porthole window with built in blind which I can assure you is not cheap All HC1s also come with adjustable axles which allow us different heights for different tire sizes and all have folding tongues which also add significantly to the cost. All these features and more I have not mentioned are standard on the HC1 and I can assure you if scamp were to add these to there trailers it would add significantly to there cost. Sorry Floyd though for this one ,no matter how much you pay for the HC1 we still will not give you rivets. 5 years ago when we originally put the plan together to build a trailer we had anticipated building a trailer similar to the scamp and other trailers here of comparible size but as everyone thinks they can we were going to make it much cheaper ,but to do that we would just end up with another another version of a scamp or similar trailer. park!liner tried that ,eggcamper tried that and to some extent LS tried that as well as others . To compete with the big three here in the fg world and building a similar trailer to them would just be difficult . This is why we have decided to build a trailer radacly different from most trailers here and why most here who have not seen one in person simply don’t understand. On top of some of the standard feature I’ve mentioned HC also offers a large amount of custom features not available on most of the big three We sell about 25% of our trailers to commercial customers including personalized color choices , window options, frame height and tire size options ,bar options including single bar or surrounding bar all which need different types of support , custom interiors always done in sunbrella material as our cushions need to be used inside and out side the trailer ( try putting your cusions outside in the sun for a couple hours and see how they last) All these options and more are also available to anyone else and is why we need a significant deposit.Yes we could just resell a trailer to someone else maybe at a loss or maybe for even more as we have the demand and who here wouldn’t want to buy a Samuall Addams trailer with a surrounding Bar , all stainless steel counters beer keg and taps inside and out side and a big screen tv that pops up when you open the rear door I know I would. I’m sure Samuall Addams would be good for the money but they put a deposit just like everyone else and it would not be fair to others to treat them differently. As I’ve stated before anyone purchasing a trailer is free to buy any trailer they want but I’m sure they will have to buy on the company terms they are dealing with Hopefully in the near future we will be able to adjust this and employ some of the sudjestions stated here. Floyd I’d also like to invite you to our Canadian showroom just a short distance from Detroit if your ever in the area for a delicious espresso or Latte or any one else here and I promise I won’t try to convert you to the HC1 lifestyle

Posted by floyd (3 months ago)

I have seen a couple of Happier Campers and followed their progress on the fiberglass market. I think it is adorable. I have owned and rehabbed about thirty fiberglass trailers of all makes and appreciate that there is a market for every one. I don't personally like "double walled" designs, especially "vacuum molded" trailers. Mine is constructed with screws not rivets, but rivets have a proven track record as does solid single hull molded fiberglass. After owning my present Scamp13D for 15 years, it has proven its obvious design advantages, build quality, and value. So much so that I honestly would not trade it today for your best effort. You build a nice product which would sell on its own merits. Scamp does as well, and will soon have 50 years of success to prove it. I have parked next to virtually every fiberglass trailer ever made,including Happier Camper and have always taken my Scamp home without the slightest touch of envy or regret. As you say the buyer is subject to the terms of the seller, but the converse is ultimately the final truth. It still takes two to tango too! Still, I welcome Happier Camper to the fiberglass family of fine Campers and I hope that we will not soon see it relegated to the dustbin of history like so many over the last 50 years (maybe one per year on average) each loss regretted by someone.

Posted by Civilguy (3 months ago)

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Mike love your slogan can I borrow it or buy it from you ,it may help me with the grammar police


Mike,

I shamelessly copy different signature lines that I see and enjoy. I found this one recently on the bike forum. You're certainly welcome to adopt it at no extra charge.

Or, for those possessed of more discriminating taste, I can introduce you to my "premium" series signature lines for just a little bit more. EZ monthly lease terms are available... :D

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Mike,

I shamelessly copy different signature lines that I see and enjoy. I found this one recently on the bike forum. You're certainly welcome to adopt it at no extra charge.

Or, for those possessed of more discriminating taste, I can introduce you to my "premium" series signature lines for just a little bit more. EZ monthly lease terms are available... :D


Thanks Mike will you take a check or is it cheque

Posted by Civilguy (3 months ago)

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Thanks Mike will you take a check or is it cheque


Doesn't matter, just let me know when it's in the mail!

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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I have seen a couple of Happier Campers and followed their progress on the fiberglass market. I think it is adorable.
I have owned and rehabbed about thirty fiberglass trailers of all makes and appreciate that there is a market for every one.


I don't personally like "double walled" designs, especially "vacuum molded" trailers.
Mine is constructed with screws not rivets, but rivets have a proven track record as does solid single hull molded fiberglass.
After owning my present Scamp13D for 15 years, it has proven its obvious design advantages, build quality, and value. So much so that I honestly would not trade it today for your best effort.

You build a nice product which would sell on its own merits.
Scamp does as well, and will soon have 50 years of success to prove it.

I have parked next to virtually every fiberglass trailer ever made,including Happier Camper and have always taken my Scamp home without the slightest touch of envy or regret.

As you say the buyer is subject to the terms of the seller, but the converse is ultimately the final truth.
It still takes two to tango too!

Still, I welcome Happier Camper to the fiberglass family of fine Campers and I hope that we will not soon see it relegated to the dustbin of history like so many over the last 50 years (maybe one per year on average) each loss regretted by someone.


Floyd you are right to be proud of your scamp which in reality is a clone of the boler and many other trailers on this forum it is a highly desirable design and is also the design we mostt tried to emulate .but it also has its drawbacks some of which are argued here in countless threads but Iím not going to comment on them as I would like them to remain just the way they are.
Unlike stick built trailers which can employ a variety of different interior finishes thin wall fg really has a limited choice some find carpet or ensoliite warm and comfortable and some find it hard to clean and maintain as it degrades over time .some also find fg finished interior a little sterile and with less character so what you donít like thereís probably at least a50% chance someone will.
Also the HC1 s fg is not vacume formed ,it is done old school and until there is a better process it will remain that way.

Posted by floyd (3 months ago)

[QUOTE=Mikmay;736985]Floyd you are right to be proud of your scamp which in reality is a clone of the boler and many other trailers on this forum it is a highly desirable design and is also the design we mostt tried to emulate .but it also has its drawbacks some of which are argued here in countless threads but I’m not going to comment on them as I would like them to remain just the way they are. Unlike stick built trailers which can employ a variety of different interior finishes thin wall fg really has a limited choice some find carpet or ensoliite warm and comfortable and some find it hard to clean and maintain as it degrades over time .some also find fg finished interior a little sterile and with less character so what you don’t like there’s probably at least a50% chance someone will. Also the HC1 s fg is not vacume formed ,it is done old school and until there is a better process it will remain that way.[/QUOTE] Just two points of clarity... Scamp uses neither carpet nor Ensolite (which it discontinued more than 30 years ago) the Marine grade fabric over Reflectix used on the Scamps has shown to be both durable and easily cleaned, mine shows no signs of deterioration nor have I seen such on other trailers, but they have only been using it for a bit over 3 decades... so time will tell. "Vacuum molded" was referring to the process used by LiL Snoozy... [COLOR=Red](vacuum bag resin transfer molding process)[/COLOR] a sort of ersatz "double wall" construction. I said nothing about "vacuum formed".

Posted by Bernese Bunch (3 months ago)

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Yes Floyd The HC1 is expensive but not just because itís built in California .Ca offers us a lot of advantages also not available anywhere else.
As I have stated before on this original thread three years ago the HC1 is built with two full shells that is double the amount you have on your scamp and adds significantly to the cost It also has a full 1 inch fg floor engineered to fit the cubes ,not a simple sheet of fg covered Osb.
It also has a rear opening hatch which requires special stabilizers,seals,handles and other items which add significantly to the cost
One thing we have in common with the scamp and which most other manufactures donít use is the aircraft style entrance door but the similarities end with the look, ours have been engineered to hold there shape ,to have storage and to have the porthole window with built in blind which I can assure you is not cheap
All HC1s also come with adjustable axles which allow us different heights for different tire sizes and all have folding tongues which also add significantly to the cost.
All these features and more I have not mentioned are standard on the HC1 and I can assure you if scamp were to add these to there trailers it would add significantly to there cost.
Sorry Floyd though for this one ,no matter how much you pay for the HC1 we still will not give you rivets.
5 years ago when we originally put the plan together to build a trailer we had anticipated building a trailer similar to the scamp and other trailers here of comparible size but as everyone thinks they can we were going to make it much cheaper ,but to do that we would just end up with another another version of a scamp or similar trailer. park!liner tried that ,eggcamper tried that and to some extent LS tried that as well as others . To compete with the big three here in the fg world and building a similar trailer to them would just be difficult .
This is why we have decided to build a trailer radacly different from most trailers here and why most here who have not seen one in person simply donít understand.
On top of some of the standard feature Iíve mentioned HC also offers a large amount of custom features not available on most of the big three We sell about 25% of our trailers to commercial customers including personalized color choices , window options, frame height and tire size options ,bar options including single bar or surrounding bar all which need different types of support , custom interiors always done in sunbrella material as our cushions need to be used inside and out side the trailer ( try putting your cusions outside in the sun for a couple hours and see how they last)
All these options and more are also available to anyone else and is why we need a significant deposit.Yes we could just resell a trailer to someone else maybe at a loss or maybe for even more as we have the demand and who here wouldnít want to buy a Samuall Addams trailer with a surrounding Bar , all stainless steel counters beer keg and taps inside and out side and a big screen tv that pops up when you open the rear door I know I would.
Iím sure Samuall Addams would be good for the money but they put a deposit just like everyone else and it would not be fair to others to treat them differently.
As Iíve stated before anyone purchasing a trailer is free to buy any trailer they want but Iím sure they will have to buy on the company terms they are dealing with
Hopefully in the near future we will be able to adjust this and employ some of the sudjestions stated here.
Floyd Iíd also like to invite you to our Canadian showroom just a short distance from Detroit if your ever in the area for a delicious espresso or Latte or any one else here and I promise I wonít try to convert you to the HC1 lifestyle


Jeez...I didn't expect this to become the drama that I'm seeing. If there is a chance that the deposit requirements will change "in the near future", please message me as I would still be interested. I do love the trailer.

Posted by Mikmay (3 months ago)

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Jeez...I didn't expect this to become the drama that I'm seeing. If there is a chance that the deposit requirements will change "in the near future", please message me as I would still be interested. I do love the trailer.


Diane I have been in contact with the sales office in LA and we are trying to come up with a plan that can help LS customers who have lost their deposits and also be fair to our customers waiting for their trailers. I will pm you with that info as soon as I can
Thanks

Posted by JBB (2 months ago)

Time Frame

Mike - What is your current time frame from the deposit to actual delivery of the camper?

Posted by Mikmay (2 months ago)

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Mike - What is your current time frame from the deposit to actual delivery of the camper?


Jan while I can not tell you the lead time as of now as it veries from day to day ( you would have to contact Happier Camper sales for that information) I can tell you we are working extremely hard to shorten it
As most here know fg trailers can not be mass produced very easily,the only real way to increase production is to increase your molds.this takes time and money as building a new set of molds is very expensive.Unlike some of the other fg manufacturers here which may have as few as 5or 6 molds the HC1 has over 15 not including the rotomolded parts.The hardest part is trying to duplicate the molds while remaining in production Due to the demand for The HC1 we have had no choice but to find a way to achieve this. In the next few months I hope to be able to post more on this but as of now it is something I can not discuss.

Posted by sclifrickson (2 months ago)

Iíve been enamored of the HC1ís since they came out. Iíve camped near a couple and seen them up close and personal. Cute. Innovative. Versatile. Well-made. I place high value on things that are well designed and well built. I will spend more money on a more expensive widget if it will perform better or last longer than a cheap widget. I value quality. Just as important to me is customer service. I will pay more to do business with a company that has excellent customer support and service. I avoid companies that do not have good customer service, even if they make a superior product. If a company does not take care of their customers, or does not fully stand behind their product, I will not have anything to do with them. Mikmay, your behavior on this forum as a representative of Happier Camper, in this thread and others, would keep me from doing business with you. Caveat emptor.

Posted by Mikmay (2 months ago)

[QUOTE=sclifrickson;737190]I’ve been enamored of the HC1’s since they came out. I’ve camped near a couple and seen them up close and personal. Cute. Innovative. Versatile. Well-made. I place high value on things that are well designed and well built. I will spend more money on a more expensive widget if it will perform better or last longer than a cheap widget. I value quality. Just as important to me is customer service. I will pay more to do business with a company that has excellent customer support and service. I avoid companies that do not have good customer service, even if they make a superior product. If a company does not take care of their customers, or does not fully stand behind their product, I will not have anything to do with them. Mikmay, your behavior on this forum as a representative of Happier Camper, in this thread and others, would keep me from doing business with you. Caveat emptor.[/QUOTE] Scott I think you are mixing up company service with company defense . C ompany service starts the moment you walk in to a hc sales office or contact hc in some other form. It continues through the purchasing process and delivery or pickup it then continues through the warranty period and beyond If you want to talk about service you really should talk to an owner of an HC1 .while we are not perfect and you can not please everyone I think you will find that our customers are overwhelmingly satisfied with our service. Company defense however occurs when someone makes false or derogatory claims on a product or service they have not witnessed. Since HCs original introduction posting on this forum 3 years ago there have been many negative and disparaging remarks ,many that many don’t see as they have been removed by the moderators . Many owners of the HC1 also see and feel these negative remarks and is why you won’t hear many on this forum as they don’t feel welcomed here as if they have a SOB trailer. I’m sorry you do not get why I have sometimes been combative in the defense of HC but the only other response I could give is no response. I’d also like to say their have been many on here who have been positive and open minded with great input even in disagreement on HC policies.

Posted by Scampdoodle (2 months ago)

[QUOTE=sclifrickson;737190]Iíve been enamored of the HC1ís since they came out. Iíve camped near a couple and seen them up close and personal. Cute. Innovative. Versatile. Well-made. I place high value on things that are well designed and well built. I will spend more money on a more expensive widget if it will perform better or last longer than a cheap widget. I value quality. Just as important to me is customer service. I will pay more to do business with a company that has excellent customer support and service. I avoid companies that do not have good customer service, even if they make a superior product. If a company does not take care of their customers, or does not fully stand behind their product, I will not have anything to do with them. Mikmay, your behavior on this forum as a representative of Happier Camper, in this thread and others, would keep me from doing business with you. Caveat emptor.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%!

Posted by Scampdoodle (2 months ago)

[QUOTE=Mikmay;737192]Scott I think you are mixing up company service with company defense . C ompany service starts the moment you walk in to a hc sales office or contact hc in some other form. It continues through the purchasing process and delivery or pickup it then continues through the warranty period and beyond If you want to talk about service you really should talk to an owner of an HC1 .while we are not perfect and you can not please everyone I think you will find that our costumers are overwhelmingly satisfied with our service. Company defense however occurs when someone makes false or derogatory claims on a product or service they have not witnessed. Since HCs original introduction posting on this forum 3 years ago there have been many negative and disparaging remarks ,many that many donít see as they have been removed by the moderators . Many owners of the HC1 also see and feel these negative remarks and is why you wonít hear many on this forum as they donít feel welcomed here as if they have a SOB trailer. Iím sorry you do not get why I have sometimes been combative in the defense of HC but the only other response I could give is no response. Iíd also like to say their have been many on here who have been positive and open minded with great input even in disagreement on HC policies.[/QUOTE]Combative behavior signals irresponsibly. Combative people are usually not able to see another person's perspective. Combative people tend to think they are always right. You can argue your point in a combative way all you want. It just solidifies my opinion. I do not wish to do business with combative people.

Posted by Alex Adams (2 months ago)

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Diane I in know way felt you had made any disparaging comments but after what you are going through you are more than entitled to it. Hope this all works out for you and others effected by the LS closure.


Mike, as far as I am concerned this statement says more about your company than anything else in this thread. That you're even willing to talk about it speaks volumes. If your business plan is working for you now, then keep on truckin. The post mentioning escrow never even talked about what happens when the customer walks away mid-build, only when the title is transferred or if someone wants a refund. In today's business climate, I don't blame you for requiring such a deposit especially if you do a lot of commercial builds. One thing I suggest though is be extremely careful expanding. Over expanding tends to kill of a lot of small companies. Right now the economic indicators are not good for the future of the economy so be conservative.
As far as your deposit goes, does anyone who posted complaints about the deposit remember when a little upstart company called Tesla required a $50,000 deposit on a car that hadn't even been built yet? And yes, some of the comments made comparing your company to LS sure sound a little disparaging to me as well unless maybe they were trying to be sarcastic.

Posted by JBB (2 months ago)

[QUOTE=Mikmay;737187]Jan while I can not tell you the lead time as of now as it veries from day to day ( you would have to contact Happier Camper sales for that information) I can tell you we are working extremely hard to shorten it As most here know fg trailers can not be mass produced very easily,the only real way to increase production is to increase your molds.this takes time and money as building a new set of molds is very expensive.Unlike some of the other fg manufacturers here which may have as few as 5or 6 molds the HC1 has over 15 not including the rotomolded parts.The hardest part is trying to duplicate the molds while remaining in production Due to the demand for The HC1 we have had no choice but to find a way to achieve this. In the next few months I hope to be able to post more on this but as of now it is something I can not discuss.[/QUOTE] Mike - right now your salesman said a 10 month waiting period from start to finish. He was very nice in answering all my questions. Realizing one would have to go out to CA to pick it up as to have it delivered to the East coast would be expensive at 80 cents a mile. Interesting little camper though.

Posted by RogerDat (2 months ago)

Let me see if I understand this really long thread. Some people think the company should not charge a deposit. The company thinks it should. Flogging this dead horse for 5 pages adds exactly what value to the forum? Some folks had a recent loss with Little Suzy when it folded because the were at the time of that purchase willing to make a large deposit. Others having seen that take place or having experienced a loss from it are now reluctant or unwilling to make that sort of large deposit on a camper. The company making the camper seems to have their own equally strong intention of continuing to require a large deposit. I'm sure they have their reasons based on their experiences as well as the stated intention to treat the customers equally driving their decision. There were two main points. I am not comfortable or willing to make a large deposit. HC1 is not willing to wave the deposit they charge. Once those two points were made that seems like it would have been the end of the discussion. Really nothing more to say. I read through the pages and can't find anything of value on the deposit subject beyond those two points. More negative than positive posts. Justification, point and counter point arguments to no benefit or gain. Don't want to pay a large deposit, as was noted many FGRV options are available that don't charge as much deposit. Wish HC1 would consider a lower deposit? That point has been made and HC1 company is declining to reduce the deposit at this time. Pretty much wraps the whole discussion up. Getting old having folks complain about the posts with snarky comments. So if you can't think of anything nice, or unrelated to the established situation of the deposit, why bother to post? Who gains from it?

Posted by Steve Carlson (2 months ago)

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Getting old having folks complain about the posts with snarky comments. So if you can't think of anything nice, or unrelated to the established situation of the deposit, why bother to post? Who gains from it?

Boy, I bet you just love facebook... ;) :D

Posted by Glenn Baglo (2 months ago)

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So if you can't think of anything nice, or unrelated to the established situation of the deposit, why bother to post? Who gains from it?
Social Knowledge? The owner of this forum and recipient of ad dollars?

Posted by floyd (2 months ago)

As far as I know, most other fiberglass trailer manufacturers do not directly post on forums officilly, or do so in a businesslike manor to make an occasional pertinent announcement. I have participated in automotive forums as well as FiberglassRV and the relevant car company does not make any direct representative posts. It seems that policy works well, and the fans and private owners have proven to be enough advocacy. It is usually best not to self promote in this venue anyway, but rather to let the product and its private owners do the talking. It comes off more credible. The apparent reason? ...Wisdom!:loltu

Posted by Raspy (2 months ago)

RogerDat, You may have missed some of the subtle points or the time it took to get some clear answers. One of the things that has been talked about in some threads here is whether or not to put down a large deposit on any trailer, and now it has been shown that that can be risky. As many as about 45 people have recently lost their deposits at LS. They want trailers. It only makes sense to ask a lot of questions when interviewing another manufacturer. And everyone wants to feel secure with the responses they get before putting down their money. I suggested that HC might be missing an opportunity and Mikmay was asked repeatedly why so large a deposit, with an answer of, basically, "because we do" or nobody else would want one that was built for someone else. Those two answers elicited more questions because they did not give a lot of confidence. Seems to me it's perfectly understandable that people would be cautious or skeptical. And again, there are buyers looking for the right company to deal with. Some have already gone to Scamp. It took clear until post 62 to even get an idea of how long the waiting period was. HCs seem like very nice trailers and people are standing by with money to buy something. HC, of course, can run their business anyway they want, and I wish them well. Meanwhile Scamp, apparently only needs $500. and it is refundable. There is two sides to the story. The buyer, who must be cautious, and the seller, who must make sales and deliver. The friction is somewhere in the middle. I didn't read, as you stated, that anyone was wanting HC to not charge any deposit, but they were curious as to why a large one was needed. Especially after Mikmay said they didn't need the money. It boils down to buy it with the terms HC demands, or buy something else. I think several of us were trying to get a handle on why the terms are what they are and if they are flexible or not. Some of those questions took a number of attempts to get a clear answer. After a lot of drilling, Mikmay did tell us that he had been in contact with the folks in LA to see if they could work out a deal to help. So, the long conversation has made good progress. Albeit slow. I see no problem with the lengthy conversation and I don't think it was as simple as you seem to think. People are being cautious and they had a hard time getting answers that made sense to them, or answers that were presented in a way that built confidence. Now it seems to be mostly cleared up. Again, I hope Mikmay and HC are successful. They have a unique design and seem to be making high quality trailers.

Posted by Mike Magee (2 months ago)

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Combative behavior signals irresponsibly.

Combative people are usually not able to see another person's perspective.

Combative people tend to think they are always right.

You can argue your point in a combative way all you want. It just solidifies my opinion.

I do not wish to do business with combative people.

This post sounds combative to me. :reye2

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